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new berry #6 seeds

Newberry – Flying in a blue dream

A male i killed recently, after saving pollen, the #1 genotype. He was in the 1 gallon pot (4L) from the start. He flowered with 3 other males under 80W LED.

he pollinated my Z7 CBD and my critical mass. He showed a lot of vigour, probably the most vigourous plant of the 11 seeds pack, he had fruity trichomes, he is moderately tall, not an heavy strecher, but a strecher either. I kept a father of this plant.

Things i can say about the 5 males i had, so far:

#1: very vigourous, medium tall, productive, nice fruity smell on the stems, showed trichomes after 3 weeks
#3: smaller male, flowered early, productive, fruity/musky smell
#5: smaller male, flowered early, productive, very interesting fruity smell!
#4: tall male, long to flower, awesome trichomes on the top leaves with a very nice smell, but STERILE. he gave absolutely no pollen at all.
#8: medium tall, vigourous, not sterile, red fruit smell, not very intense smell as the #5 but more interesting than the #5 because of its vigour and structure. I will use it to pollinate especially the #11 female (the most interesting female so far), and the #9.

The male from the second batch of seeds, the #8, is at 2 weeks of 12/12 and he is starting to give pollen. It is a very nice one. I will show him next update.

RCCO, that is absolutely amazing. Please forgive me I didn’t notice this was your thread the other day when I commented. You’re pictures are awesome. I would love to post some of yours also if it’s ok with you?

Very nice grow, glad you’re enjoying that Newberry, she was very fun for us as well.

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RCCO, that is absolutely amazing. Please forgive me I didn’t notice this was your thread the other day when I commented. You’re pictures are awesome. I would love to post some of yours also if it’s ok with you?

Very nice grow, glad you’re enjoying that Newberry, she was very fun for us as well.

Thank you JD for stopping by

You can’t use all the pictures you need, absolutely no problem!

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very nice update rcco.

you certainly are getting an incredible stretch with your plants. I’m sure that’s your game plan with using the smaller containers.
As you mentioned early, our growing styles are different. although my current grow is using 10 gal containers I generally use 15 gal and have fit up to four 20 gal in the tent. I like to keep the plants under 3 ft tall. In this case they’re only at around 2 ft. This gives the plants plenty of head space and away from the lights and heat.

It’s great that you were able to capture a variety of pollen for future use.
I can imagine those flowering females smelling pretty berry/sweet the next few weeks.

stuff looks great !

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Hi Pic 1, thank you for stopping by.

I have 6 females, 3 of them are very stretchy, and the 3 others aren’t. There are 2 females i didn’t show at this last update and they are not strechy at all. One plant, the #11 is probably a keeper because her smell is already delicious. I will show pics of her soon.

I use 11L (3 gallons) containers because i don’t veg more than 3-4 weeks. This grow is only a selection of a keeper, and reproduction, to preserve this line and to cross newberry males with my Z7 CBD. I used different males on different branches and i labelled each branch. The two Z7 plants are pregnant, as the critical mass. And i can hardly wait to see what i get from this seed pack! so i don’t veg longer than 3-4 weeks.

I have a little room, 150 x 80cm (5’x3′), and the plants are big, there is (10 plants) overpopulation in the tent. And because plants are too close from the others they are stretching more, because of the competition for light. This is related to far red, the leafs under the canopy receive more far red, and it triggers streching. When i grow for production i take care of plant structure and space, and size and number of plants.

The spectrum that i am using is a straight flowering spectrum, the spectrum you are using has certainly more blue and green than mine and keep the plants more compact.

Next time, when i will make the second run with the keeper(s) and i will LST them carefully, it will keep them more compact.

yes! preserving this line is a priority! i will make a few seeds with the nice females and the nice males. And i kept pollen in the freezer for next crosses

I hope! I feel that the #11 female will smell sweet berries, fingers crossed!

Old World Genetics – DJ Short

I looked for awhile and couldn’t find another thread for these guys. Really surprised as DJ Short is a legend.

Just ordered some New Berry beans off JBC. Anyone else pick these up? The pics on IG look awesome.

I’ve never grown any DJ Short stuff, but this is my 2nd purchase. I brought back some Blueberry seeds I bought in Amsterdam 2001 and helped a couple friends set up a grow under the stairs in their townhouse. They only got 3 females but the buds were "the best weed they have ever had." Unfortunately, they didn’t save me any.

althor
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10 years ago there was plenty of talk about him. But 1000s of mutants and average plants later, he is not talked about as much. Too many breeders and strains that have surpassed what he brought to the table. Don’t get me wrong, he was an innovater many, many years ago, but sooner or later the horse whip company goes out of business and the leather car seat company takes over.

Oh, just to throw in, he does have some good stuff. Just not high in demand with people. Also, his most popular strain (blueberry) was lost and he has tried to recreate it but hasn’t been able to do it.

yesum
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Newberry and Happy Pussy are a couple coming out. I got an old pack of F-13 to try this next grow as this used to be DJ’s favorite for psychedelic action.

A lot of unhappy campers concerning his strains these days. Not sure what to make of it. I am gonna have to hear some good things on the new lines before buying. His older lines did have a following. Old story now with Sensi and many other breeders being thought of as passe. Best days over and gone.

blowincherrypie
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I looked for awhile and couldn’t find another thread for these guys. Really surprised as DJ Short is a legend.

Just ordered some New Berry beans off JBC. Anyone else pick these up? The pics on IG look awesome.

I’ve never grown any DJ Short stuff, but this is my 2nd purchase. I brought back some Blueberry seeds I bought in Amsterdam 2001 and helped a couple friends set up a grow under the stairs in their townhouse. They only got 3 females but the buds were "the best weed they have ever had." Unfortunately, they didn’t save me any.

The Mantis
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10 years ago there was plenty of talk about him. But 1000s of mutants and average plants later, he is not talked about as much. Too many breeders and strains that have surpassed what he brought to the table. Don’t get me wrong, he was an innovater many, many years ago, but sooner or later the horse whip company goes out of business and the leather car seat company takes over.

Oh, just to throw in, he does have some good stuff. Just not high in demand with people. Also, his most popular strain (blueberry) was lost and he has tried to recreate it but hasn’t been able to do it.

I heard the Pot Cast with him on there and knew I would buy this pack. He might have had a few years, but he’s put in the work and seems to go through a long selection process. I’ll just have to hope this pack wasn’t a waste of money.

Newberry and Happy Pussy are a couple coming out. I got an old pack of F-13 to try this next grow as this used to be DJ’s favorite for psychedelic action.

A lot of unhappy campers concerning his strains these days. Not sure what to make of it. I am gonna have to hear some good things on the new lines before buying. His older lines did have a following. Old story now with Sensi and many other breeders being thought of as passe. Best days over and gone.

Many a breeder still use his genetics, albeit mostly using blueberry.

jayblaze710
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I’ve had amazing blueberry years ago, but it’s honestly something I avoid now. I’m sure there are good cuts floating around, but it’s one of those strains where everyone sells a blueberry and a lot of them suck.

As for DJ Short’s stock, everything I hear sounds like inbreeding depression. Mutant plants, no vigor. A lot of people are really into the whole linebreeding thing, but there’s a serious downside to it. It’s my guess that this is why his stuff seemed to fall off over time.

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grown 3 females to fruition now from a new pack of dj’s Blueberry. All three plants were similar in structure and look, except this last one had major stretch and got a bit foxtaily. I do not claim to know what his previous stock was like as I never grew it but this current line Is solid, even if it is not the “same”. Blueberry smells ranging from blueberry muffin type to a more acidic blueberry.

Here is the latest one I grew

CannaBruh
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Having ran Dj gear from long ago I was not disappointed in anything of the recent stuff. I wish I would have kept around one of the blueberry or wizard cuts ran in 2016-2017. Currently have grape krush throwbacks vegging, they came as freebies.

If you haven’t ran any of his gear you might want to find a reputable cut and or some flowers you can trace back to a cut. Or take a chance at something but understand the lineage and what you’re getting into.

It’s like top end scotch, craft beers or cigars, not everyone is going to like every single thing but every single one of those things can be viewed as top shelf depending on the vantage point. It’s for detail snobs imo or people who like the eclectic. You’re going to find some weird plants that are routinely very pretty and enjoyable to consume.

While I have been happy with much of what I find in these packs I can appreciate why some might not be happy about it being not what they were looking for. The same can be said for a lot of cuts/packs/breeders.

New Berry prices just mean I won’t be buying them without some real serious praise and consistency.

Bodyne
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thenotsoesoteric
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His son "JD" came on a couple years ago like Althor mentioned and when members were asking what happened to the old blueberry genetics he came up with "counterfeit packs" excuse. He come off a little abrasive for sure.

As far as the new berry, good luck brother. I hope it turns out nice

ky farmer
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I heard the Pot Cast with him on there and knew I would buy this pack. He might have had a few years, but he’s put in the work and seems to go through a long selection process. I’ll just have to hope this pack wasn’t a waste of money.

Many a breeder still use his genetics, albeit mostly using blueberry.

Hope I didn’t just waste the money. I’ll try to pop and share soon.

whytewidow
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I run his clown royal, old and newer blueberry, as well as his Whitaker blues, and farmers fire.

Newer blueberry= sucked ass all females from regs. I run entire pack and half of another pack. Only had 4 females total that smelled even remotely close to blueberries. Had very high female ratio out of 19 seeds total popped. Got 14 females.

Clown Royal= regs 6 females from a 13 pack. Only 1 I run twice. Smoke was subpar high wise. Taste great.

Farmers fire= run half a pack. Popped 6. Got 3 females. One pheno I run 4 times before letting go. Other phenos were 1 and done.

Older blueberry= pack from his original blueberry release. Only popped 5 beans. 2 females. Both super heavy blueberry taste n nose.

Whitaker Blues= popped 4 beans got two and two. One pheno jis put out small fluffy airy buds. No nose at all during flower. Low yield, low trich production, very lose nose. Second pheno was a 6 outta 10. Low yield but checked the rest of the boxes. I enjoyed the smoke. But I think I was the only one. Was indi dom. Finished in under 60 days. Run it twice. Had a grapey nose with hints of vanilla. But as of right now. None of them are my garden anymore.

Overall his gear isnt worth the price IMHO. Not that it’s not good. But the fire phenos arent in every pack. And seem to few and far between in his newer line. I may revisit some of the half packs I have in the future. But not near future. Just my experience with his and his sons gear.

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JD is the son, DJ is the dad.

Open the website of any pot shop in Portland.

Almost certainly, there’s something blue on the menu—Blue Dream, Blue Cheese, Berry Bomb, Blue Headband, Blue Diamond Phillips.

According to cannabis lore, the taproot of all those strains can be found in Eugene. You’ve probably seen it, too: Blueberry, arguably the most widely seen genetics of its generation.

The legendary Blueberry was bred by a man named DJ Short, who runs Old World Genetics, which is now based outside Los Angeles. His son, JD Short, is still in Eugene, recently launching a breeding company called Second Generation Genetics.

Maybe you’ve heard stories about a seed hunter finding Blueberry in the mountains outside Chiang Mai, or a soldier bringing it back from ‘Nam.

The actual truth is less exciting, says JD Short.

"It’s Thai, Chocolate Thai, Afghan and Oaxacan," he says. "Those were the four strains DJ started with. All his strains started with those genetics."

Why are Blueberry and its many offspring so wildly different from other strains? That has to do with a tiny twist on the basics. More on that in a minute.

Traditional cannabis breeding involves pollinating a female plant with a male. Because the males don’t produce flowers of their own, it’s hard to know exactly what traits they have unless you pollinate many female plants and observe the commonalities in the offspring. DJ Short did that, keeping rigorous notes about each phenotype that emerged and his efforts to stabilize the genetics into a consistent set of characteristics—a strain.

"Blueberry’s been around since, I don’t know, 1980?" JD Short says. "The Blueberry pheno that everybody loves and raves about now showed up in DJ’s work probably around 1979."

Blueberry stood out from the start. The color and aroma that emerged from that plant were unlike anything American cannabis users had ever seen.

"When it first came out, what set his stuff aside was that he had stabilized the color purple, with berry and fruit," JD says. "A lot of the herb that was around at that point was spice weed, or it was the Afghan, which was skunk. DJ came along with these things that were berry and purple, and it just blew people’s minds."

The starter seeds weren’t necessarily exceptionally rare, JD says. He figures they may have come through the American government, as is common lore in the trillion-dollar U.S. pharmacopeia industry.

So why didn’t another berry bloom for another breeder?

While the complex genetics of the cannabis plant mean there are always oddities, you’d think that such strong berry notes would have shown themselves elsewhere if they were common enough to be stabilized.

Therein lies the big secret of Blueberry.

In the late ’70s, breeders were just starting to experiment with indicas. To create Blueberry, DJ Short used female sativas, pollinating them with male indicas. He was swimming against the stream.

"When the Afghan came around, what everybody was doing was using the female Afghans, because they were indicas, they were novel and they produced well, they finished quick, they were short and they were potent," JD Short says. "DJ didn’t like the Afghans—he didn’t like the smoke. All his strains are about the end product. He preferred the sativas as his mother, so he used his male Afghan on his sativas, which was the opposite of what everyone else was doing."

The results of his little twist? Blueberry.

"The reason it’s in everything is, they’re some of the most reliable true-breeding strains on the market," JD says. "You get your pack of seeds and you get your male, you throw it on your favorite female, and you have stabilized strains."

But are all those blue and berry strains really descended from Blueberry? As far as JD is concerned, they are.

"To be honest with you, my nose hasn’t come along with anything yet," he says. "There’s a certain smell in there—a floral-berry-earthen-hash smell in there—that’s unique. I’ve been smelling it literally since I was in diapers, so it’s hard for me to miss."

How could a little strain from Eugene spread its genetics across the world? JD has a theory on that, too. Call it the lore of the tour.

"Back then, Eugene was known as the stopover town," he says. "There was a really good music scene that happened in this town. It was a pretty happening place for musicians who wanted to play in Portland and then maybe scoot down to Eugene and have a little retreat. It was known as the cool retreat place. The cool rich kids kinda wanted to come here and hang out. They would come here and get genetics, and they would take them back to Northern California. Once those genetics made it to Northern California, it was quickly established. And it changed the industry at that point."